Sucette Harbor letter of endorsement challenged by Mariner’s Village residents

Mariner’s Island property owners submit disavowal notice to City Council, ask for investigation

MICA residents say they weren’t polled and there were no annual meetings

MVMA president says there weren’t quorums at previously scheduled meetings

Says many in MVMA support Sucette, afraid to speak up

MANDEVILLE — A group of property owners from the Mariner’s Village Master Association is disavowing any connection to a so-called unanimous endorsement of the Sucette Harbor project referenced at the last Mandeville City Council meeting by Woodward Interests President William Hoffman when making his case in favor of the project.

Woodward Interests is the developer behind the controversial Sucette Harbor project, in partnership with the LSU Health Foundation.

At the May 25th City Council meeting, Hoffman said he had a unanimous endorsement from the Mariner’s Village Master Association’s (MVMA) board of directors, which is a five-member body. Eric McVicker serves as president.

However, Larry Grundmann, claiming to represent Mariner’s Island Condominium Association (MICA) property owners, which is part of the MVMA, sent a letter on June 6th to the Mandeville City Council (see letter at end of story) disavowing the aforementioned endorsement, claiming his members were never polled on the issue. Grundmann is opposed to the Sucette Harbor project and is asking the Mandeville City Council to investigate the circumstances surrounding the MVMA endorsement and its presentation to the council and public May 25th.

Grundmann’s letter contains the signatures of 23 individuals claiming to be a “super majority” of property owners of MICA, each having endorsed a statement of disavowal which reads:

“To the Mandeville City Council: The undersigned is a property owner at and a member of the Mariners Island Condominium Association. No one from the so-called Mariners Village Master Association has contacted me about the Sucette Harbor development. Any representation that the development has unanimous approval or property owners in the area is false. I do not agree with the development as proposed for the many reasons given at the recent council meeting. Please vote against the zoning change required for this development to proceed. Best.”

His letter further states that it is unclear who the MVMA board members are, and the endorsement letter referenced at the last meeting could not be found among the Sucette Project materials.

Mandeville Daily received a copy of the endorsement letter from other sources (see letter at end of story). The letter does not name the members of the board of directors.

While the bold title of the letter reads, “Mariner’s Village Master Association Votes to Endorse Sucette Harbor Project,” the actual body of the endorsement letter only makes the claim that “the board of directors voted” and that “the vote was unanimous, 5-0.” The letter does not state that it represents a polling of the membership or residents of MVMA, but one could argue that the title implies it.

However, when contacted by Mandeville Daily, McVicker said “numerous conversations were had with many residents across Mariner’s Village before the vote. A lot of residents are in favor of the project but haven’t publicly spoken out of fear of retribution…”

He described the five board members as being: Jason Dahlberg, Alex Edliamati, Gene Norton, Alejandra Guzman, and himself. They were last elected in 2021, he said.

Guzman is the Executive Director of Business Ventures for the LSU Health Foundation, which is in partnership with Woodward Interests and Hoffman for the Sucette Harbor project. But when asked by Councilman At Large Jason Zuckerman at the May 25th council meeting who the MVMA board members were, Hoffman responded, “That, I don’t know.”

Grundmann’s letter to the council makes a number of other assertions, mostly involving Hoffman and District II Councilman Dr. Skelly Kreller’s display of unfamiliarity with McVicker’s relationship with the MVMA and its board of directors.

“And the Councilman in whose district the project is located (Kreller) certainly knows his campaign consultant’s association, but he did not say so either,” Grundmann wrote. McVicker serves as or has served as a consultant for Kreller’s campaign.

Grundmann also sent links to previous articles by the LSU Health Foundation and the Times-Picayune/Nola.com that quote McVicker, Kreller and even Councilman At Large Rick Danielson as being supportive of LSU Health Foundation’s proposed developments for the land.

As for Grundmann’s complaint concerning MVMA’s annual membership meetings not being held, McVicker said that meetings had been scheduled the last two years but quorums were not present.

Article II, Section 2 of the MVMA bylaws call for annual meetings of the membership and at those meetings “they shall elect by a plurality vote a board of directors, and officers and transact such other business as may properly be brought before the meeting.”

But according to McVicker, Guzman is empowered to proxy vote for the LSU Health Association’s 89-vote interest. That means that combined with the other four board members — if they are indeed property owners too — there would have been a quorum present for the May 23rd vote.

This raises two interesting points. If you have a quorum on May 23rd, why not have the annual meeting, and the vote by the five board members more accurately represents about 50 percent of the ownership. This seems to be Grundmann’s primary issue: The letter was painted as a ringing endorsement when it more accurately represents a 50-percent endorsement of the ownership in MVMA.

According to the vote allocations found in the Master Association articles of incorporation, the LSU Health Foundation controls 89 of the 186 votes, or 47.85 percent.

Parcel and vote breakdown in MVMA Articles of Incorporation (Mandeville Daily)
Parcel and vote breakdown in MVMA Articles of Incorporation (Mandeville Daily)

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Related:

Mariner’s Village Master Association Articles of Incorporation

Mariner’s Village Master Association Bylaws


Letter from Larry Grundmann to Mandeville City Council dated June 6, 2023 (Mandeville Daily)
Letter from Larry Grundmann to Mandeville City Council dated June 6, 2023 (Mandeville Daily)
Mariner’s Village Master Association letter of endorsement for Sucette Harbor dated May 23, 2023 (Mandeville Daily)
Mariner’s Village Master Association letter of endorsement for Sucette Harbor dated May 23, 2023 (Mandeville Daily)

OPINION: ‘Social media’ resolution thinly veiled attempt to intimidate public

Seen as direct response to email, social media posts from activist opposing Sucette Harbor

Could have ‘chilling effect’ on future dissent

Editorial

Updated to expand argument concerning free speech and the word ‘bribe.’

The controversial Sucette Harbor project will likely see a final vote by the end of the summer, bringing to a close the often heated and nasty debate over whether the Mandeville lakefront will get a new multi-story hotel, a special events center and a supposedly age-restricted apartment complex.

The Mandeville City Council is in the process of holding several public “discussion” sessions stuffed into its regular meetings. The first was on May 25th when the embers of a social media firestorm spilled into Council Chambers when District II Councilman Skelly Kreller and Sucette Harbor attorney Paul Harrison threatened lawsuits against anyone daring to impugn his integrity, or in the case of Kreller, anyone connected to a particular activist on the social media platform Nextdoor.

I have retained counsel to fully investigate her claims (activist’s social media posts) and everyone connected to these, and that legal action against her and then, if necessary, against them.

— District II Councilman Dr. Skelly Kreller

So now Councilman at Large Rick Danielson, sponsor of the Sucette Harbor project legislation, has introduced Resolution 23-22 that would ask citizens to limit their free speech in accordance with a set of rules laid out in the document.

Some might argue resolutions don’t carry the weight of law, only ordinances do. Well, this is true, except when it comes to the council saying what it will do as a body and how it will conduct itself.

Resolutions generally express the will or sentiment of the council or request some action. They are used to authorize the mayor to enter into legal agreements with contractors, or, for example, ask the State Attorney General for an opinion on a matter.

And, it is a resolution adopted by this City Council that establishes the rules by which it conducts itself related to its meetings. In fact, the three-minute time limit for public comment that we are now all-too-familiar with is established in Resolution 20-14, adopted by this City Council in July 2020.

Excerpt from Resolution 20-14 (July 2020)  (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Excerpt from Resolution 20-14 (July 2020) (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)

Resolution 20-14 establishes rules by which the public must abide inside Council Chambers. State law allows entities that are subject to the Louisiana Open Meetings law to set “reasonable rules and restrictions” for public comment. It’s up to the courts to decide what “reasonable” might be.

Excerpt from La. R.S. 42:14 (www.legis.la.gov)
Excerpt from La. R.S. 42:14 (www.legis.la.gov)

And that is precisely the problem with proposed Resolution 23-22, up for a vote at the June 8th council meeting.

Because proposed Ordinance 23-16 (Sucette Harbor) is only listed as being up for “discussion” and not “adoption” on the June 8th agenda, the City Council is under no obligation to let just anyone speak.

Technically, the council chair could pick and choose who is allowed to speak on Sucette Harbor as long as there is no vote on the issue. Louisiana state law only requires that public comment be allowed before an actual vote.

Considering that fact, combined with the wording of Resolution 23-22 which calls on people to “Apologize if Needed,” what is to stop the council from barring someone from speaking who made “personal attacks” on social media unless they are willing to apologize first? The answer is, nothing.

Excerpt from Resolution 23-22  (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Excerpt from Resolution 23-22 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)

As council chairman, Danielson could probably do that now without this resolution (based solely on the aforementioned state law), but this resolution, if adopted, would provide political cover because it would become “the will of the council.”

Excerpt from Resolution 23-22  (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Excerpt from Resolution 23-22 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)

It is the opinion of Mandeville Daily that just the mere introduction of this resolution is meant to intimidate the public from speaking or posting on social media in opposition to the Sucette Harbor project.

It’s one thing to have a rule governing public conduct inside Council Chambers, but it is part and parcel from a rule that puts the public on notice that they will be held responsible inside a public meeting for things they may have posted outside the meeting on social media, or in “small group discussions,” as the resolution states.

This could have a chilling effect on dissent with people feeling empowered to report their neighbors to the City Council for comments on social media or even among friends at a local tavern or other social gatherings.


Remember, we already had a sitting councilman — Kreller — state on the record at the last City Council meeting that he is investigating anyone connected to a person who made offending social media posts, along with a lawyer for Sucette Harbor threatening a lawsuit — also at the same council meeting — against anyone “insinuating” things about his integrity, presumably on social media. Both of these threats — allowed to go unchecked by the council chair — are beneath the decorum.

If someone defames me… online, you write it down. You will be sued the next day by my firm. Let’s be very clear about that… But you make an insinuation about MY integrity, you will get sued. That’s it.

— Paul Harrison, Sucette Harbor project attorney


It is the opinion of Mandeville Daily citizens should be held accountable only for what they say and how they behave inside Council Chambers and not on social media or in “small group discussions.” The people of Mandeville are owed an apology from Kreller, Harrison and Danielson. Regardless of what anyone wrote about them on social media, it does not justify broad threats against everyone else in the chamber nor does it justify this silly free speech resolution.

We particularly feel Danielson had an obligation to reign in the threat by Harrison as soon as it occurred, as it was broad and against everyone, not just the activist in question. Again, this was beneath the decorum.

While Mandeville Daily categorically disagrees with the language used by the activist in question on social media as it only serves to invite trouble and divert attention from the issue at hand, we do, however, believe the activist’s body of comments on social media and the email they sent to the City Council on the matter are legally protected speech. The only thing they accused anyone of in the email was giving a campaign contribution, which is perfectly legal. (See full email below.)

Let’s just consider that email, as it was the only thing up to that point that was part of the public record as far as the council is concerned, and it contained no use of the word “bribe.” It did, however, contain a screenshot of a prior social media post — presumably by the activist in question — of another social media post made by Kreller showing Harrison at his campaign event, thanking everyone for their “continued support.” The screenshot was captioned “Kreller Takes Campaign Donations from Sucette Development Team!” At worst, the activist in question had a misstatement of fact if Kreller did not actually receive campaign contributions from anyone connected to the Sucette Harbor project.

The activist’s political position that campaign contributions near a vote should be illegal and are the same as “bribes” is a separate matter.

The activist accused Harrison of making campaign contributions, which are perfectly legal. The fact that the activist believes a legal campaign contribution is the same as a “bride” does not make it so. She accused him of a perfectly legal act. Her evidence is a social media post by Kreller’s own campaign at his legal fundraiser.

It seems it would be difficult to make the case that an individual was defamed with provable damages (one of the legal requirements) by being accused of giving perfectly legal campaign contributions at a campaign event that no one disputes they actually attended. Harrison himself even said he attended the event during the council meeting.

The only remaining question is, did he actually make a contribution to Kreller’s campaign? After all the indignant posturing and threats by Harrison and Kreller, not to mention this ill-conceived social media resolution, if it later comes out that a campaign contribution was indeed made, what did the activist do that was so wrong? Wouldn’t somebody be owed an apology?

Mandeville Daily believes it was ill-advised for Kreller to post to social media a picture of Harrison at his event, regardless if any campaign contributions were made by Harrison. It was also ill-advised for Harrison to attend such an event under these circumstances, much less make a contribution, when his client is asking the City Council for a change that will likely be extremely profitable for his client. It’s a bad look. Kreller and Harrison created this problem — they were not the victims.

With that said, Mandeville Daily categorically believes that any such campaign contributions are constitutionally protected speech. Law requires public reporting of such contributions. The voters can judge at election time if they were inappropriate.

Sure, it would be nice if elected officials — out of a desire for transparency and openness — would disclose such legal contributions under these particular circumstances before such votes rather than waiting for the year-end legally required reports to be filed. We shall see.

Regardless, the adoption of this social media resolution would place the City Council amok of the long-established “Chilling Effect Doctrine.”

The so-called “chilling effect” is the concept of deterring free speech protected by the First Amendment as a result of laws or actions that appear to target expression.

If you don’t agree with the argument presented in this piece by Mandeville Daily, then ask yourself: What if the disparaging and bellow-the-belt remarks made by an activist on a silly website like Nextdoor had been about a councilperson who was against the Sucette Harbor project instead of in favor? Would there even be a Resolution 23-22?

Finally, Mandeville Daily is of the opinion that this resolution is an insult to the public and should be withdrawn.

Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 2 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 2 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22 as PDF (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22 as PDF (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Resolution 20-14, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Resolution 20-14, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Email from activist to Mandeville City Council, page 1
Email from activist to Mandeville City Council, page 1
Email from activist to Mandeville City Council, page 2.
Email from activist to Mandeville City Council, page 2.

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City Council to consider ‘social media’ rules resolution

Would adopt rules for acceptable social media ‘discourse,’ asking citizens of Mandeville to abide

Seen as direct response to local activist comparing ‘campaign contributions’ to ‘bribes’ on social media

Backs Sucette lawyer who warned he’ll sue those making ‘insinuations’ about his integrity

Rule calls on citizens to ‘Apologize if Needed’

MANDEVILLE — The Mandeville City Council will consider a resolution that would ask citizens to limit their free speech in accordance with a set of rules laid out in the document, which was authored by Councilman at Large and current Council Chairman Rick Danielson.

This is an obvious pushback to a local activist who repeatedly compared campaign contributions to bribes during a firestorm of back and forth on the social media platform Nextdoor over the proposed Sucette Harbor project. Again and again, they used the phrasing “campaign contributions (bribes)” or “campaign donations (bribes)” and even sent an email to the entire City Council advocating a change to city code concerning contributions and complaining about Sucette Harbor attorney Paul Harrison appearing at a campaign event for District II Councilman Dr. Skelly Kreller.

Resolution 23-22 has been added to the June 8th City Council meeting agenda, published yesterday (June 1, 2023) on the City of Mandeville official website.

It would adopt a set of rules referred to as “Basic Simple Rules of Speak Your Peace Principles” for behavior by citizens of the “Greater Mandeville Area” to follow at “public meetings, small group discussions and through all social media outlets” in conjunction with debate on issues before the City Council.

These proposed rules are:

1. Show Respect to others
2. Be open minded but agreeable even when you don’t personally agree with someone else’s viewpoint or opinion
3. Listen to Understand
4. Do Not Gossip or Spread False Information either verbally, in writing or through social media outlets
5. Apologize if Needed
6. Pay Attention
7. Be Inclusive
8. Give constructive criticism if or when needed
9. Take responsibility

While resolutions do not carry the weight of law, they can be used to set procedural rules and acceptable behavior inside Council Chambers during meetings.

The current body of rules that governs how the City Council conducts its meetings was adopted via Resolution 20-14, shortly after this council took office in July 2020.

This new resolution could be interpreted as an extension of those rules, attempting to hold citizens accountable not just for what they say during meetings but also outside the Council Chambers as well, specifically on social media.

Opponents fear that if this rules resolution is adopted, their posts on social media platforms, such as Nextdoor, Facebook and Twitter, could place them under council scrutiny and even invite their neighbors to report them, potentially leading to them being asked to apologize before being allowed to speak out.

What’s more, because proposed Ordinance 23-16 (Sucette Harbor) is only listed as being up for “discussion” and not “adoption” on the June 8th agenda, the council technically could pick and choose who it allows to speak. Louisiana state law only requires that public comment be allowed before actual votes occur.

Excerpt from La. R.S. 42:14 (www.legis.la.gov)
Excerpt from La. R.S. 42:14 (www.legis.la.gov)

At the May 25th City Council meeting, the same activist’s posts were shown as part of a slide deck presentation made by the Sucette Harbor developers team.

In an earlier email sent to the City Council, that activist advocated for an ordinance that would make campaign contributions to a council member within a certain timeframe of a vote on a major issue illegal.

This email and the previous social media posts caused harsh reactions from Danielson and Kreller at the meeting, with Kreller saying he was taking legal action. The criticism directed at the activist was that they used the word “bribe” or “bribes” in their social media posts.

“I have retained counsel to fully investigate her claims and everyone connected to these, and that legal action against her and then if necessary against them,” Kreller said.

However, each reference that Mandeville Daily was able to find (the posts have been removed from Nextdoor) seemed to use the phrasing “campaign contributions (bribes)” consistently.

Mandeville Daily did find one reference, however, of the word “bribe” without the preceding “campaign contributions” qualifier, but that was a reply in a larger thread on the discussion where there was a lengthy and testy exchange between the activist and others on the platform.

Harrison appeared to become agitated at the meeting after the activist attempted to defend themself and justify their position.

Harrison warned: “If someone defames me… online, you write it down. You will be sued the next day by my firm. Let’s be very clear about that… But you make an insinuation about my integrity, you will get sued. That’s it.”


Editor’s Note: While Mandeville Daily categorically disagrees with the language used by the activist in question as it only serves to invite trouble and divert attention from the issue at hand, we do, however, believe the activist’s body of comments and email on the matter are legally protected speech. Incendiary, yes. Inflammatory, yes. But constitutionally protected, nonetheless. The activist’s so-called “evidence” was a social media post of a photo taken at a campaign event. We do not believe that reasonable people would confuse a photo of a perfectly legal act and captioned as such as being nefarious as the activist purports, especially in light of the ridicule and disgust the activist received in reaction to their remarks. Also, Mandeville Daily categorically believes that any such campaign contributions — if they occurred — are also constitutionally protected speech and should not be infringed by future ordinance, even during times of critical votes on matters before the council. Law requires public reporting of such contributions. The voters can judge at election time if they were inappropriate.


Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 2 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22, page 2 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22 as PDF (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Proposed Resolution 23-22 as PDF (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Resolution 20-14, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)
Resolution 20-14, page 1 (Mandeville Daily/William Kropog)

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FLASH: ‘Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in’

Mandeville Daily considers return, providing context for important issues only

Sucette Harbor causes heated debate in Old Mandeville

-Editorial-

I did it for a year. I was bothered by the demise of the small-town newspaper so I started Mandeville Daily. I’m a software developer by day, working from home full-time. I’m very blessed, no doubt. But in my youth I was a reporter and editor at a couple of small-town newspapers, including the now-defunct St. Tammany News-Banner in Covington.

And more recently, for about a year — from March 2021 to February 2022 — I conducted an experiment of sorts. I provided news coverage of the Mandeville City Council, just like I used to do as a kid in my early 20s, but this time it was for free and in my spare time. I’m not saying I was very good at it back in the day, nor would I claim to excel at it now, but I do believe I provided at least adequate coverage in 2021 and 2022.

During this time, I covered Mandeville City Council, distilling the roughly two-hour meetings down to five-minute reads as objectively as possible. Not an easy task. I received criticism from both supporters and detractors of Mayor Clay Madden, who was often in the spotlight at the time. I guess that means I was doing an OK job.

Alas, the experiment came to an end. I could no longer justify the personal and financial sacrifice just to fulfill some sense of civic duty.

While I truly wish Mandeville had real, consistent news coverage, there is a silver lining: the Information Age. These days one can watch every Mandeville City Council meeting on Facebook, not to mention the historic and planning & zoning commissions as well. Granted, the video production quality is inferior to that of other nearby municipalities such as Covington or Hammond, but nevertheless, it provides access to government that didn’t exist 30 years ago.

In the months after I ended my little project, I would occasionally encounter readers who expressed a desire that I continue my coverage. But the math really had not changed in my mind. I simply could not return to full-on City Council coverage.

However, in light of recent events where certain issues before the City Council have become legitimate hot-button topics, I have reconsidered my position… at least in part.

I will not return to providing contiguous Mandeville City Council meeting coverage. If you want that, watch the meetings on Facebook. In fact, why not show up at the meeting and express your dissent on issues you oppose?

But what I will do is consider writing stories on the most important and impactful issues coming before the City Council.

One such issue might be the red-hot Sucette Harbor project. It would be a complete makeover of the Mariner’s Village end of the lakefront, bringing a multi-story hotel, senior-living apartments, an events center, and a redesigned marina to the vacant site.

Critics say it would create a traffic nightmare and the project would ultimately be a bust, which they believe would later lead to officials changing the intended purpose of the facility rather than having it shutter. This, they say, could eventually open the door to gaming on the Mandeville lakefront.

Vocal detractors of the proposed project accuse the developers of having gaming in mind as their ultimate goal, while supporters of the venture say that charge is laughable and merely an attempt to gin up hostility.

Things became so heated at the May 25th City Council meeting in response to social media posts that someone made comparing alleged campaign contributions to “bribes” that Paul Harrison, an attorney representing the Sucette Harbor project developers, had strong language for those who might go too far in their opposition on social media:

“If someone defames me… online, you write it down. You will be sued the next day by my firm. Let’s be very clear about that… But you make an insinuation about MY integrity, you will get sued. That’s it.”

Sounds like the temperature is rising fast. Is Sucette Harbor good for Mandeville? It’s an interesting question and no doubt a firestorm has been ignited in the minds of many in the public. Maybe it is time that Mandeville Daily rise from its ashes.

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OPINION: Handling of council clerk raise looked suspicious, ended in embarrassment for Mandeville

Jeopardized entire civil service pay package

Council clerk raise not part of salary committee recommendations: Zuckerman

Raise neither explained nor defended until after move to strike it

-Editorial-

The handling of a proposed raise for Council Clerk Kristine Scherer at the last Mandeville City Council meeting was an embarrassment, and it unnecessarily jeopardized a long-awaited and well-planned pay scale update for the city’s non-police, civil service employees.

Mandeville finally received a much-needed overhaul of police and civil service pay at the February 10th City Council meeting, resulting in significant raises across the board. The move — based largely on a city-sponsored salary survey conducted last year — puts Mandeville in a better position to retain and attract workers.

It was a big deal.

A salary survey committee, formed by Mayor Clay Madden, met four or five times from November to December, hammering out details for historic police and civil service pay changes.

The process was open and fair. It was a fine example of what happens when a city council and an administration work together for the greater good. The recommendations from that committee are what generated two ordinances — one for the police pay scale and the other for the civil service employees.

There was one big problem though. Scherer belongs to neither group. She is not a civil service employee and isn’t governed by either pay scale, yet for some reason the sponsor of the pay scale ordinances, Councilman at Large Rick Danielson, saw fit to tuck a nice 38-percent raise for Scherer into the civil service pay ordinance, which created a “poison pill” for others on the council, and rightfully so.

If you had read Ordinance No. 22-03 — for the civil service pay scale changes — you might not even have noticed that second primary clause wedged in there: “And to amend the salary of the council clerk.”

The Mandeville Home Rule Charter specifically says each ordinance must be limited to a single subject. This prevents a council member from tying a lesser-known and potentially more controversial item to a larger more popular measure with broad support, hoping other members won’t risk the political fight.

Article II, Section 2-11 or the charter reads in part:

Even by an amateur’s reading of the charter, a civil service pay scale change and a raise for one specific non-civil service employee are two separate things.

The title has two subjects, and the body of the ordinance is dealing with two different things. It’s painfully obvious.

To make the argument that because Ordinance No. 22-03 handles “raises” and they were trying to give Scherer a “raise” doesn’t pass the smell test. If that were the case then we could just have one big ordinance each meeting to handle whatever needs to be done under the subject “the people’s business.”

What’s more, city code specifically addresses how and when a raise for the council clerk is to be handled. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of wiggle room here except for maybe the date on which it happens:

Sources told Mandeville Daily that District II Councilman Skelly Kreller was involved in getting the council clerk raise added to 22-03.

So why did Danielson and Kreller do it this way?

What was really strange was the way in which Ordinance No. 22-03 was brought to the floor that night.

When an ordinance is brought to the floor, the council chairman reads the text of the subject and gives time to the sponsor to explain their proposal.

But with Ordinance No. 22-03, Danielson barely made mention of the fact that the council clerk raise was in there. His fumbling remarks gave those in attendance the impression that he himself wasn’t even sure it should be in there:

“It’s for non-police civil service employees, and as Mr. Zuckerman stated, the salary of the council clerk is part of this ordinance as well just because that really is a separate position you know from, uh, non-police civil service employees, so that’s why that’s part of this as well and being treated, you know, in this ordinance.”

And that was it. Those words — as mousy and conflicting as they were — was the first time the public at an open meeting had been informed or pitched the idea of a raise for the council clerk.

This wasn’t a pitch at all. Did he really want her to get the raise? He didn’t sound like it.

But he wrote the ordinance. Even if Kreller was a part of the effort, Danielson put his name on it.

Where was the bit about how great Ms. Scherer is, and that she deserves a 38-percent raise, and how this is good for Mandeville, and so on?

It only took District III Councilwoman Jill McGuire about five seconds after Danielson’s sheepish introduction to call a spade a spade, making a motion to strike the council clerk raise from Ordinance No. 22-03 so that the civil service pay scale changes would move forward.

Even when Madden proposed his “restructuring plan” early last year and was met with fierce resistance, he made a strong push and endured harsh questioning from several on the council, particularly Danielson and Kreller. Madden stood his ground, and arguably he eventually got the job done, even if it was through a different route.

And that right there, ladies and gentlemen, might be what this is really all about.

Was this a case of political retribution? Does that argument hold water?

Part of the mayor’s restructuring proposal in 2021 was to create a new position called “Director of Administration” with a salary of $90,000. He planned to tap mayoral Executive Assistant Trilby Lenfant for the new post.

Madden didn’t get his way, although he later found money in his salaries budget to give Lenfant a roughly $10,000 raise, bringing her to $83,827, about halfway to what would have been the salary for the ill-fated director of administration post.

When the council found out about this, Kreller demanded and got an opinion from the state Attorney General as to the legality of the raise. But the AG sided with Madden and even gently admonished the City Council for “ambiguity” in its budget ordinance, which allowed Madden to draw from a pool of salary money for Lenfant’s raise.

And there’s more evidence that this might have had everything to do with Lenfant and little to do with Scherer.

In Ordinance No. 22-03, Danielson included a side-by-side comparison for the proposed raise for Scherer with Lenfant’s pay:

Why on Earth would he bring Lenfant into this fight? It made no sense… unless there is more to this story than has been revealed to the public.

Based on on-the-record remarks by District III Councilwoman Jill McGuire and information from sources close to the situation, Scherer has made her case for a raise to council members privately and via email. Scherer reportedly expressed that she feels her current job duties are more akin to an executive assistant and not a clerk.

“There’s been new information that’s been brought to me, and I would like your assessment and I would like all the council members to see the JAQ (job assessment questionnaires administered as part of the 2021 salary survey). And there’s been lots of statements that Ms. Scherer’s emailed all of us and I’d like all of that addressed and I’d just would like it separate from the other employees,” McGuire said during debate at the meeting.

Fair enough. In the private sector, such lobbying is not only acceptable but often rewarded. So what that Scherer made a case to her “bosses” during a time when she saw that a number of other people were set to get big raises. Can’t really fault her for that.

It is worth mentioning, however, that group email chains present a huge problem for city councils everywhere, especially in Louisiana, which has one of the toughest open meetings laws in the country.

The instant there’s any kind of back-and-forth in a group email among a quorum of council members, there’s a serious problem as illustrated in this 2012 opinion by the Louisiana State Attorney General:

We’re not alleging this happened in Mandeville, but the City Council didn’t do themselves any favors with the way this was brought to the public. Perception matters in politics.

Mandeville Daily only found out about Scherer supposedly making her case to the council from off-the-record sources, which were indirectly corroborated by McGuire’s remarks at the meeting.

If Scherer’s alleged self-made comparison to the mayoral executive assistant was the real reason this side-by-side with Lenfant was included in the ordinance, why was that information not made public? Why didn’t Danielson just say that when he had the chance?

If this raise was so above-board, then why was it added to an unrelated civil service pay scale overhaul, an item that could have been sunk because of this poison pill?

This was McGuire’s finest moment as a council member. She quoted Section 2-7 of the City’s Code of Ordinances defining how raises and reviews for the council clerk are supposed to be handled. Section 2-7 spells out four conditions.

Maybe Danielson believed that sub-section (d) of Section 2-7 makes sub-sections (a), (b) and (c) null and void. Ordinance No. 22-03 only referenced sub-section (d). But City Attorney Elizabeth Sconzert didn’t seem to think so in her comments on the matter that night:

“I think the intent of the Section 2.7 is just to make sure there is a yearly evaluation for the council clerk and any changes are accounted for at that time.”

With that and a few other remarks she made at the meeting, Sconzert seemed to be saying that according to city code, you can give a raise to the council clerk before an evaluation takes place, and you can adjust the council clerk pay to meet market conditions.

So perhaps Danielson (and Kreller) is arguing that this particular raise is just a market adjustment, like with the police and civil service pay changes. That is indeed a valid point which can be debated.

But that’s the problem. There was no debate. There was no explanation… not until after McGuire moved to strike it.

McGuire was correct. Just like the charter seems to say, a raise for Scherer is a different subject than civil service pay scale changes.

Point, set and match, McGuire.

It was only when McGuire’s motion was about to be voted on did Danielson and Kreller speak up and mount any semblance of a defense for Scherer.

At one point, Danielson seemed to try to goad McGuire into altering her amendment in a manner that could only be described as unconventional.

“If this were to be amended, and pulled, that we would come back, and part of that, maybe Mrs. McGuire would consider, part of that motion would be that we would introduce an ordinance that addresses the salary of the council clerk and introduce an ordinance the first meeting in March,” Danielson said.

Sources close to the situation told Mandeville Daily they were surprised that Danielson even made such a suggestion — to put in one ordinance a “promise” to introduce another ordinance by a specific date — especially considering that as a council member, Danielson has the right to introduce ordinances or amendments himself. Why would he want McGuire to change her amendment?

But McGuire didn’t waiver. “They are two separate things and it needs to be separate,” she insisted.

If Danielson didn’t like her amendment, he could have voted against it and then offered his own. But he didn’t. In fact, he voted for McGuire’s amendment. And so did Kreller. Very telling.

Councilman at Large and Council Chairman Jason Zuckerman backed McGuire by pointing out that he served on the salary survey committee and a council clerk raise was never part of the discussions.

“I was on the salary survey committee… And we really didn’t discuss this. This proposal … is not really coming to the council with a recommendation that came out of the salary survey committee,” Zuckerman said.

The question here is not if Scherer deserves a raise. She does. Most on the City Council went on the record that night saying so. How big of a raise and when it should happen, that’s up to the council and should be debated in front of the people.

The recommendations concerning the police and civil service pay scales were handled in public meetings of the salary survey committee. It was no surprise when those items showed up on the agenda for a vote.

What was a surprise was that a council clerk raise was wedged into one of them when it was unrelated and had not been vetted in an open meeting.

Whether or not this was one-upmanship with the mayor for the way he handled Lenfant’s raise, the public is left to speculate because there is no official on-the-record evidence to the contrary — there was the side-by-side comparison to Lenfant in the ordinance and the dollar amounts were roughly the same.

But if the reality was that Danielson and Kreller were persuaded privately by Scherer that she really is more like an executive assistant and deserves the same pay as Lenfant, then they should have followed the appropriate path and made their case to the public.

There was plenty of time from November through January to have given a council clerk raise the attention it deserved which would have met the conditions spelled out in Section 2-7 of city code.

But they didn’t.

This was an unforced error, and sadly, it may have done irreparable harm to the city’s relationship with Scherer.

The citizens deserved better. Scherer deserved better.

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UPDATE: Mandeville police, workers get raises in historic pay scale overhaul; City Council pumps brakes on 38% raise for council clerk

Provision that would have made council clerk more like executive assistant, equal in pay stripped from ordinance

Measure adds $744,172 to operating budget — 5.5% increase

Vast majority receive 10-40% bumps in pay

Officials cite recent salary survey, retention, recruitment concerns for system overhaul

City streamlines 30 pay steps down to 25

Mayor says last extensive pay increase was 2015

Raises to hit paychecks in late March

Police salary budget increases 10.26%

Sewer Dept. sees biggest percent change at 15.18% to address recruitment issues

Updated 2/13/2022 at 1:09 PM: Adds references to Kreller and Scherer in eighth and 10th paragraphs.

MANDEVILLE — The City Council adopted measures Thursday that will give police and civil service employees significant across-the-board raises as part of a broader effort to bring Mandeville in line with the surrounding market in attracting and keeping workers.

The changes stem from a comprehensive market salary survey contracted last year by Mayor Clay Madden and the City Council, which revealed that Mandeville was lagging behind nearby municipalities and area employers in its basic pay scales, which hadn’t been significantly updated since 2015.

One of the main takeaways from the report, conducted by SSA Consultants of Baton Rouge, is that by position, Mandeville’s entry-level pay — especially for police — is consistently below that of other municipalities and entities in the market region, including Covington, Slidell, Hammond, Tangipahoa Parish and the Louisiana State Police.

The raises will add $744,127, including benefits, to the city operating budget — a 5.5-percent increase — and streamlines Mandeville’s pay scales from 30 to 25.

Eighty-three of the roughly 100 employees — both police and civil service — will receive raises ranging from 10 to 40 percent, with only a handful above or below that range.

The overhaul was enacted via three ordinances — one to address the Mandeville Police Department, a second to address civil service employees, and a third to adjust the operating budget in order to pay for the raises.

The civil service pay change ordinance caused a minor dust-up during the meeting and the council had to scramble to amend the ordinance so that the civil service raises wouldn’t be held up.

Some on the council felt Ordinance 22-03 contained a so-called “poison pill” because it proposed a 38 percent pay raise for Council Clerk Kristine Scherer, who is not a civil service employee. The ordinance was introduced by Councilman at Large Rick Danielson, but sources say District II Councilman Skelly Kreller was involved in getting Scherer’s proposed raise included in the measure.

District III Councilwoman Jill McGuire offered an amendment to strip out the raise for Scherer, which would have put her at almost equal pay to Mayor Clay Madden’s Executive Assistant Trilby Lenfant, taking Scherer from $60,139 to $83,139. Lenfant is paid $83,827 after she received about a $10,000 raise last year.

Sources told Mandeville Daily that Scherer is unhappy with her pay and believes that her current role is more akin to the executive assistant than a clerk.

Scherer handles all City Council day-to-day operations, including intra-council communications, scheduling, publishing agendas, ordinances, and resolutions, researching city code and the home rule charter, among other duties. She also acts as the recorder and parliamentarian at council meetings.

Council members expressed strong support for Scherer during Thursday’s meeting, but stopped short of voting against McGuire’s amendment to remove the council clerk’s raise. The amendment passed unanimously despite Danielson and Kreller expressing support for the raise remaining part of the ordinance.

Kreller argued that even though 38 percent is a large raise, a handful a civil service and police employees will receive raises greater than 40 percent, and it wouldn’t be fair to single Scherer out by not including her in this pay scale overhaul.

Danielson said of Scherer, “I don’t know the perfect way to do this because of the process that we’ve gone through. I can justify all day a raise to our clerk based off of experience, based off of years, based off of scale, based off of all those things.”

But McGuire said that she is not opposed to considering a raise for Scherer but that such a raise is a separate and different issue than the civil service pay raises and should not have been tied to them.

“There’s a lot of things that have come up… a lot of comparisons… There’s questions of should the council clerk be considered as an executive assistant. I feel that is a discussion that should be held at a different time,” McGuire said.

Councilman at Large Jason Zuckerman agreed with McGuire, saying that a raise for Scherer was not a recommendation that came from the salary survey committee.

Madden formed a salary survey committee which met four times in December to hammer out details for the pay scale changes before making recommendations back to the mayor and the council as a whole. Zuckerman and Danielson both served on that committee along with others, including police and civil service representatives.

“I was on the salary survey committee… And we really didn’t discuss this (Scherer’s raise). This proposal … is not really coming to the council with a recommendation that came out of the salary survey committee,” Zuckerman said.

“I can support a raise all day long… Ms. Scherer has tremendous worth to the city and the City Council,” he added.

Former City Councilman Ernest Burguières made a brief presentation to the council during the public comment session that covered what he believed where a number of potential issues with the raises.

Burguières said he felt the salary survey was “a good starting point” but that it did contain some “flaws.” His main objection was that he believes the process largely bypassed public feedback and questioning of the survey’s author, SSA Consultants.

He also said that the pay raises were weighted heavily toward existing employees versus entry-level workers.

Burguières also cautioned that this increase to the budget could eventually burn through city surpluses.

After Scherer’s proposed raise was stripped from the measure, the civil service pay ordinance along with the police pay ordinance and the budget adjustment ordinance were adopted unanimously.

Finance Director Kathleen Sides told the council the raises should hit paychecks in the second half of March.

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City Council meets in Chamber for first time since 2020

Meetings held in Spitzfaden Center for over a year due to COVID-19 Pandemic and renovations

MANDEVILLE — The City Council met in the Council Chamber at Mandeville City Hall tonight for the first time in over a year, marking the occasion with an uneventfully short meeting.

Council Chairman and Councilman at Large Jason Zuckerman has pushed for the return to the Chamber since he was installed as council chairman last July.

The old bulky courtroom-style desk has been been replaced with tables, creating more room, and the carpeting has been upgraded.

“I was disappointed when the Council meetings were relocated out of City Hall in the first place and have been pushing to move back into Council Chamber for some time. It took some doing but we got it done and I’m really glad to have the Council meetings back in an appropriate setting,” Zuckerman said.

The City Council started meeting regularly in the Paul R. Spitzfaden Community Center across the street from City Hall in March 2021, once in-person meetings were deemed safe again after a number of video-conference meetings during the height of the COVID-19 Pandemic. Prior to tonight, the last time the City Council met in Chamber was November 19, 2020.

Zuckerman said a new, larger and more modern Council Chamber is being designed to replace the existing one.

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In other business at tonight’s meeting:

OLD BUSINESS:
  1. Adoption of Ordinance No. 22-01; AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE TO AMEND ORDINANCE NUMBER 21-20, THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE AND FOR OTHER MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH (Councilman Zuckerman, At-Large) This is for additional expenses from Hurricane Ida

    Adopted, 5-0.
NEW BUSINESS
  1. Approval of the special event application for the Mande-Gras Parade Tailgate party on Friday, February 18, 2022, starting at 6:30 pm located at The Shops at 1200 West Causeway. Tailgate will feature a musical performance by Jenna Hunt, free face painting, games to play & 2 food truck vendors. (Councilman Kreller, District II)

    Approved, 5-0.


  2. Introduction of Ordinance 22-02; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE TO AMEND THE PAY SCALE RELATIVE TO COMPENSATION PLAN OF THE MUNICIPAL POLICE CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE AND PROVIDING FOR OTHER MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH (Councilman Danielson, At-Large)

    Introduced for Feb. 10, 2022 meeting.


  3. Introduction of Ordinance 22-03; AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE TO AMEND THE PERSONNEL POLICIES RELATIVE TO THE PAY SCALE OF THE NON-POLICE MUNICIPAL CIVIL SERVICE EMPLOYEES OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE AND TO AMEND THE SALARY OF THE COUNCIL CLERK AND TO PROVIDE FOR OTHER RELATED MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH (Councilman Danielson, At-Large)

    See related story: City Council to consider $23K raise for council clerk

    Introduced for Feb. 10, 2022 meeting.


  4. Introduction of Ordinance 22-04; AN ORDINANCE FOR THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE TO AMEND ORDINANCE NUMBER 21-20 THE OPERATING BUDGET OF THE CITY OF MANDEVILLE AND FOR OTHER MATTERS IN CONNECTION THEREWITH (Councilman Zuckerman, At-Large)

    Introduced for Feb. 10, 2022 meeting.

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City Council to consider $23K raise for council clerk

Matches pay of mayor’s executive assistant Lenfant

Would give council clerk 38% raise

Lenfant received $10K raise last year amid kerfuffle with council

Proposal to be introduced by council member who opposed Lenfant raise last year

Council meetings return to City Hall Thursday

UPDATED 1/26/2022 at 11:20AM: Corrects use of title for Trilby Lenfant to ‘executive assistant.’

MANDEVILLE — The City Council will consider an ordinance that would give Clerk of Council Kristine Scherer a $23,000 pay raise, putting her almost equal in pay to Mayor Clay Madden’s executive assistant Trilby Lenfant.

Lenfant received a controversial raise in June that was met with frustration by some on the council, so much so they requested an opinion from the State Attorney General’s office on the matter.

While the AG ultimately said the raise was legal and did not violate the city’s home rule charter, the office concluded the wording of the City Council’s 2021 budget ordinance was ambiguous and that future budgets should be better written to avoid such confusion.

Ordinance 22-03 is being introduced at the regular City Council meeting Thursday by Councilman at Large Rick Danielson who — along with District II Councilman Skelly Kreller and District III Councilwoman Jill McGuire — was critical of Lenfant’s $10,000 raise at an August meeting last year, leading to the AG opinion request offered by Kreller.

The proposed pay raise for Scherer would be debated and voted on at the February 10, 2022, City Council meeting, provided it isn’t removed or pulled from the agenda Thursday. It is only slated to be introduced at Thursday’s meeting.

Scherer’s current pay of $60,139 is just above the market maximum $59,342 revealed by SSA Consultants’ recent salary survey “An Evaluation of the City of Mandeville’s Compensation and Benefit Plan” conducted for the city in November 2021.

Lenfant’s current pay of $83,827, which includes last year’s $10,000 raise, is well below the SSA Consultants market maximum of $102,440 for that type of position.

Proposed Ordinance 22-03 uses the title “executive secretary” to refer to Lenfant’s position, but according to the City of Mandeville’s official website, her title is “Executive Assistant.”

Thursday’s council meeting is scheduled for 6 p.m. at the Mandeville City Hall council chamber at 3101 E. Causeway Approach. The meetings have been held at the Paul R. Spitzfaden Community Center for over a year, first due to the COVID-19 pandemic and then because of renovations to the council chambers.

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Sign code review details revealed for vote by P&Z tonight

Approval of scope of work comes before Planning and Zoning Commission

Top-to-bottom review of Article 10 of CLURO could open door to return of ‘electronic message centers,’ critics say

MANDEVILLE — The Planning and Zoning Commission will consider a resolution defining the scope of work for a top-to-bottom review of the city’s sign code, or Article 10 of the Comprehensive Land Use Regulation Ordinance.

Mandeville’s sign code was a hot topic last year and electronic signs were killed by the council, which then later voted to authorize a review of the sign code. Tonight’s measure defines the scope of work for that review and opens the selection process for a contractor to perform the work.

The directive lays out eight areas of concern to be addressed by the would-be contractor:

  • Creating regulations that provide a means of implementing the policies & goals of the City of Mandeville Comprehensive Plan and other related long-range planning policy documents;
  • Creating regulations that address market trends, incorporate best practices and address contextual issues throughout the City;
  • Removing or amending outdated or inappropriate standards;
  • Removing redundancies and conflicts;
  • Creating clear definitions and terminology;
  • Ensuring all regulations and prohibitions are compliant with the Louisiana and United States Constitutions, including but not limited to content neutrality and other 1st Amendment considerations;
  • Providing graphics and illustrations to supplement, replace and/or clarify written regulations; and
  • Crafting regulations that provide for effective administrative enforcement;

The proposed scope of work reads in part:

“Mandeville’s focus is [to] establish clear, responsible sign regulations with appropriate design criteria that will provide opportunities for innovative and creative approaches to sign usage while maintaining its status as an economically viable and sustainable wooded coastal community that exists in harmony with its abundant environmental resources, preserves its rich cultural history and endeavors to enhance of the quality of life for future generations.”

The proposal also calls for participation from the community:

“The Sign Code review process should engage and encourage the involvement of community leaders, key stakeholders, business owners, economic development partners and interested citizens. Public engagement is expected from the consultant, though substantial base vision data already exists in the various adopted long-range plans.”

The city will accept sealed responses from consultants interested in performing the review, after which the city will make and negotiate its final selection.

Read the proposed resolution for the scope of work for the review of the sign code here.

Read the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting agenda here.

The Planning and Zoning Commission meeting is scheduled for 6 p.m. tonight at the Spitzfaden Community Center.

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Joint meeting of City Council and P&Z tonight

Event kicks off the City of Mandeville’s resiliency plan

P&Z regular meeting to follow with proposal to start review of sign code, including so-called ‘electronic message centers’

MANDEVILLE — There will be a joint meeting of the Mandeville City Council and the Planning and Zoning Commission tonight at 5 p.m. to kick off the city’s “Resiliency Plan.” The regularly scheduled Planning and Zoning Commission meeting will follow at 6 p.m.

The purpose of the joint meeting is for the Coastal Protection and Restoration Authority (CPRA) to make a presentation to the City Council and the public. Both meetings are open to the public.

The P&Z will consider a resolution defining the scope of work to begin an official review of the city’s sign code.

Mandeville’s sign code was a hot topic last year and electronic signs were killed by the council, which then later voted to authorize a review of the sign code. Tonight’s measure defines the scope of work for that review.

Read the special joint meeting agenda here.

Read the Planning and Zoning Commission meeting agenda here.

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